All,
You continue to allow the metaphysics of a few distorted athesistic minds, speak for all humanity relating to science. There is no doubt that these forces are a problem in our culture and need to be dealt with, however, don't forget the important contribution that scientists have made in our understanding of the universe and the evidence they have supplied in support of God's creation: the Big Bang, life's creation, life's uncomphrensible nano-machinery, and human thought. You guys are so quick to condemn scientists; your not looking at the big picture. There is a lot of wonderful scientific evidence for creation mixed in with the chaff the non-believers blow at us Christians.
Stu,
I am sure you are joking about Eugenie, Ha! Even if I wasn't married and decided to go on this hypothetical date, I am sure she would stomp out on me in the first few minutes as I explained by views as a Progressive Creationist! The NCSE want the Theistic Evolutionists because they claim it is an unguided process that God set up and that is the foundation that the house of atheism is built upon. An unguided process is counter to Biblical claims of a caring God; it is also counter to a deterministic creation and prophecy. She would find out quickly that I am not what she is looking for and run! There you go again muddling theistic evolution and progressive creationism again. You still don't understand the difference and refuse to learn even after I have explained it many times. Seems like you just love to sling mud. Oh when will you stop?!
Thanks for admitting that the talking snake was symbolic for you; sorry, I guess I missed your statement about the snake being symbolic. I don't know what you mean by saying the snake was historical though; maybe you will explain this as well for me. If it was symbolic of Satan, does this mean that the encounter in the garden took place physically or spiritually. QADWE 1) Was Satan there in physical form in the garden and talking out loud with Eve or was Satan in a spiritual form like a ghost communicating with her mentally? I would claim that this encounter did not occur historically and materially but was a hypothetical account of the first humans deciding to be disobediant for God. You seem to be aligned with my view except when call this account historical. QADWE 2) What is your view on this symbolic conversation between Satan? and Eve.
By allowing symbology into these verses in some cases and not others, you have established a criteria in your own mind as to permitting some things to be symbolic and others not. QADWE 3) What is your criteria for allowing the snake to be symbolic of Satan or disobedience? The Bible does not say that the snake was symbolic of Satan or human disobedience .
QADWE 4) Are there any other verses that are symbolic like the trees for instance?
As for trying to bridge the Bible and scientific views, yes, you are correct, I am trying to find more compatibility between the Bible and what we know about the physical world which is God's other creation. You insinuate that this is a flaw in my approach while I believe it to be a strength of my views over your views that disregard reality, disregard God's claim of fixed laws, and suspend reason and logic to adhere to an antiquated viewpoint that relies on suspension of the laws, popping rabbits out of thin air and miracles.
[Stu]- 'But if there are miracles that don't have a concordant scientific theory (like the creation of Adam out of dust) then you reject them. That's no way to believe in miracles -- that they must have scientific validation. '
You should be aware by now after all my posts that I do believe in miracles, so your attempt to discredit my views by saying that I reject them is totally without any historical basis. I have said time and time again that God uses his fixed laws to perform them and have even given you insight on how He might do it in several examples using control variable imbedded in these known laws. QADWE 5) Slinging mud again; or are you just not comprehending what I have been stating over and over?
[Stu]- 'Tell me how you are ever going to scientifically validate your salvation.'
You must be aware by now that I don't believe that my salvation has anything to do with the physical laws which is what science is engaged in discovering. Your request makes no sense to me. You have seen me state many times that my soul is informationally (spiritually) based. If you are really looking for a reply from me on this, you will need to rephrase it. It is clear to me by your request that you haven't understood what I was saying at all on the separation of information and physical laws and are continuing to misrepresent my views.
My statement to get you to see the difference between information and physical laws was rhetorical. It is something I must continue to do because you don't understand these concepts well enough to see that they are compatible with the Bible. Unfortunately, you just don't understand them enough at this point. Resistance is futile!
Lee